AL CARROLL IS DEFRAUDING THE GOVT.

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Posted - 11/22/2006 : 4:16:25 PM
Notices & Commentary on Cross-Cultural Issuesby Scarlet Kinney & OthersUpdated/Edited August 1, 2006The Standing Bear has recently been attacked by a group whose acronym is "NAFPS", for New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans. Their site address is www.newagefraud.org. To learn more about what happened when I challenged their authority to sit in judgment on me, please scroll down this page to "Commentary Regarding the NAFPS Attack on the Center", where I will be posting comments of others who have looked into the matter and want to contribute to healing the issues at hand. I urge each of you who finds her/his way to this site, whether with good intent or ill, to read through this entire site carefully, especially the Writings and Musings page, and come to your own conclusions. Notice to NAFPS Forum Members:In response to my having challenged this site's authority to sit in judgment on me, I have been subjected to a very nasty cocktail of abuse by some of the forum's members. That cocktail was made up of a combination of ignorance, fear, hatred, sexism, racism, ageism, and misogyny, as well as other forms of abuse . The horrible deaths of two of my family members was used as part of an attack on me, and my own physical and psychological suffering during my initiation experience were discounted. Even my generosity in making time to respond to your tirades while simultaneously dealing with very ill family members was perceived in a twisted way and thrown back at me with a lack of compassion that I can only describe as grotesque. So here's how it's now going to be:I will no longer communicate with any forum members whose only interest is in trying to discredit, malign or hurt me. I am very sorry that your personal and cultural history has been such a source of pain and suffering for you. I did not personally cause it. I will not accept blame for it in any form, including the kind of abuse that has been directed at me on the site's forum.What I will do is listen respectfully and respond in a respectful way to anybody who wants to join me in an exploration of the issues at hand, with the goal of achieving some degree of tolerance, understanding, and perhaps even healing. I expect the same degree of courtesy and respect from you that I am offering you. To the few forum members who have been able to express their ideas to me in a non-abusive way, I thank you, and hope to maintain contact with you.I extend a warm invitation to anybody involved with the NAFPS site who wishes to take part in a mutually respectful continuation of the debate on this site to do so, provided you follow the guidelines set out for doing so, which are outlined above. I will maintain my views regarding NAFPS on this web site until or unless the following conditions have been met:1. A professionally qualified researcher from your site actually does some legitimate research, gets to know me in person, and comes to at least a minimal understanding of who I am and what I'm doing;2. The Standing Bear Center for Shamanic studies has been moved from your "fraud" section to your research section, or better still, to your "non-fraud" section; and...3. Members of NAFPS stop attacking and abusing me and my work on its site and through my personal and business email addresses.Scarlet Kinney* * * * *As far as I could tell from perusing their site, the members of NAFPS attempt to discredit and financially ruin any person, Native American or otherwise, who teaches anything that they believe belongs exclusively to Native American culture, or who charges money for workshops on shamanism. When I discovered that they had listed The Standing Bear under their "Fraud" section, I went onto the site to check it out, registered to participate in the open forum, and challenged their right to sit in judgment on me. The result of my standing up to these bullies was that a very nasty online brawl ensued (I believe that to date there have been some 1800 responses to my having challenged these people on their forum). During the course of this brawl, I was attacked on a personal level as well as on a professional level by various members on the site. When I attempted to have a reasonable private discussion about my work with the site's owner, Alton Carroll, a history professor from Boerne, Texas who claims Mescalero Apache, Mexican and Irish heritage, I was subjected to a particularly nasty version of what I quickly recognized as classic intellectual and psychological abuse. His tactics were those commonly used by all abusive patriarchal males as well as by cult leaders attempting to gain control over others. When I could not teach him to use common courtesy and respect for his elders when speaking to me, I ended my communication with him. As a result of my experience with Mr. Carroll and with certain other members of the NAFPS site, I have reluctantly come to the conclusion that NAFPS is a cult-like hate group masquerading as a guardian of Native American culture and spirituality. Some people have advised me to ignore this attack, but I'm of the opinion that hate groups should be challenged whenever they rear their ugly heads. I'm also of the opinion that the discussion I attempted to have with them on their forum is long overdue and much needed.Therefore, I am going to continue to deal with the fallout from my having challenged NAFPS here on my site, by posting my own commentary on the issues at hand, as well as commentary from my students and others whose intent is to heal such cultural misunderstandings. The only rules for participating are that your comments must be intended to heal; that you do your best to try and understand the views of culturally different people; and that you address and/or respond to them in a respectful and thoughtful way. I will not publish any verbal attacks against any individual, and I reserve the right to be the sole judge of whether your comments are intended to heal or to harm. I invite you to Email your comments to me using the link provided at the bottom of this page. When you do so, please state whether or not you would like me to share your comments with others by posting them publicly on this page. Please also indicate whether or not you want your name to be published along with your comments. If you would like, feel free to choose a pseudonym.Finally, on the Musings and Writings page of this site, I have published an essay presenting my views on the issues that appear to be at the bottom of this misunderstanding. I have also posted a notice to NAFPS at the end of this section, to clarify my current position regarding their attack on me and my work.Best Wishes to all, Scarlet Kinney~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Commentary Regarding the NAFPS Attack on the CenterNote: With the execption of myself, unless specifically authorized to disclose them, I am protecting the identities of those who offer commentary regarding the issues addressed here, because I do not want to put them in danger of being subjected to what I have been subjected to by NAFPS.Updated/Edited July 21, 2006June 26, 2006From Scarlet KinneyTo Al Carroll, of NAFPS:You need to try and understand, Al, that in treating me with such arrogant disrespect as you have demonstrated in your most recent posting about me on your site, you are also demonstrating an arrogant disrespect towards two things that all Native American cultures hold sacred: Mother Earth, and the Great Bear Spirit. In attacking and slandering me personally on your web site, you are in fact actually attacking and slandering Mother Earth herself, because like all women of all races, I am a physical manifestation of Mother Earth and as such deserve to be shown the same level of respect any conscious Native American would show Her. In attacking my work and labeling it as fraudulent, you are in fact actually attacking and labeling the Great Bear Spirit, who chose to call and train me to do this work, as fraudulent. I should not have to remind you that such behavior on your part is not only reckless and ill-considered. It is also grotesquely disrespectful of the very traditions you claim you are trying to preserve and protect. I suggest that you take the time to read what Medicine Chief Weylin Lighteagle, a fully apprenticed Bear Medicine Man, has to say on the subject, which is posted below, and that you take it to heart. He is right. You people would better spend your time, energy and money supporting and preserving the lives and work of people like him, who are struggling in bitter, relentless poverty as they try to keep, honor and offer to others the sacred teachings of your cultures, which are fast disappearing from the Earth.~~~~~~~~~~~~~April 4, 2006From JA, MaineMy cousin gave me your business card and I read your messages on your web site. I also went into the site that has "frauded" you. It is so sad that people in general are racist, especially the ones who protest the loudest, yes? I believe we all have a right to learn things that interest us and especially the things that help us develop. Key word: intention.~~~~~~~~~~~~~April 14, 2006From NR, Pennsylvaniahttp://www.thestandingbear.com/notecomment.htm
Internet anonymity has provided a few cyber-cowards with a high-tech equivalent of a public bathroom wall. They can give vent to their frustrations with little fear of detection and the courts may well protect them. The potential for open-ended civil discourse will likely be sacrificed to provide a shield for timid mouse-potatoes.
Edited by - TALLSOLDIER77 on 11/22/2006 4:16:59 PM
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Posted - 11/22/2006 : 4:18:55 PM
OK, let's expose the "real" Al Carrol, for who he really is. A self-proclaimed Mexican/Irishman of Mescalero Apache decent. Big Al, as he is known, is one of the founding Fathers of the "New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans Organization or "NAFPS". I visited the "NAFPS" website, what a joke, they call themselves "the" Native watch-dog group, who ask for your help (MONEY) so that they can continue their vigilant work on "outing" Native Frauds.Visit the "NAFPS" website and decide for yourself. Only you will be bewildered as I was that the only thing working on their site index is their "forums" page:Welcome, Guest. Please Login or Register. Nov 22nd, 2006, 4:00pmNews: Welcome to NAFPS!New Age Frauds + Plastic ShamansMembership is free and open to all! Home Help Search Members Login Register NAFPS ForumGeneral Frauds (Moderators: Forum Admin, TrishaRoseJacobs, CrystalMirror, educatedindian, Barnaby_McEwan) People, websites, books and events to avoid Pages: 1 2 3 ... 11 Start new topic Subject Started by Replies Views Last post Purpose of this category Forum Admin 0 194 Oct 25th, 2004, 4:09pmby Forum Admin buy phentermine pillsman643 0 0 Today at 12:32pmby pillsman643 Make your house more brightly. All that to you int JannyAndersen31 0 0 Today at 4:50amby JannyAndersen31 The Best products! Low prices! pillsman667 0 0 Today at 2:53amby pillsman667 CHEAP ANTI DEPRESSANTS cheeeeeese 0 0 Nov 21st, 2006, 11:13pmby cheeeeeese Video, mp3, mpeg! Hirsawert 0 1 Nov 21st, 2006, 11:53amby Hirsawert Select The Best Rx phentramadol 0 1 Nov 21st, 2006, 3:10amby phentramadol Auto News blog blogwado 0 0 Nov 20th, 2006, 2:02pmby blogwado Do you know much about you helth??!! ) Gorodoya11 0 0 Nov 20th, 2006, 9:49amby Gorodoya11 Stealth Rootkits Are Bombarding XP SP2 Boxes jony_team4 0 0 Nov 20th, 2006, 5:56amby jony_team4 today's medicine guffimoyus 0 0 Nov 20th, 2006, 5:02amby guffimoyus Men's Erotic Underwear Bobi2007 0 1 Nov 19th, 2006, 8:13pmby Bobi2007 Question for Forex trading Kasparas 0 1 Nov 19th, 2006, 1:45pmby Kasparas Dem't! I never thought this is so hard ) poltfungr22 0 0 Nov 18th, 2006, 5:53pmby poltfungr22 Do you know much about you helth??!! ) Gorodoya 0 0 Nov 18th, 2006, 2:59pmby Gorodoya But we don't think about this? quedry36 0 0 Nov 18th, 2006, 1:59pmby quedry36 One Question mazer4onee1 0 0 Nov 18th, 2006, 7:22amby mazer4onee1 It's imposseble! abtrunre1 0 0 Nov 18th, 2006, 7:05amby abtrunre1 Penis Enlarge Patch Rx fvhbndfs4 0 0 Nov 18th, 2006, 5:09amby fvhbndfs4 Dem't! I never thought this is so hard ) TPAKTOP881 0 0 Nov 18th, 2006, 2:20amby TPAKTOP881 Pages: 1 2 3 ... 11 Start new topic Normal TopicHot Topic (More than 15 Replies)Very Hot Topic (More than 25 Replies) Locked TopicSticky TopicSticky Locked Topic Forum Jump: ----------------------------- General ----------------------------- - Welcome & News - Member Introductions => Frauds - Non-Frauds - Research Needed ----------------------------- NAFPS Archives ----------------------------- - Archive No. 1 ----------------------------- Odds and Ends ----------------------------- - Comedy Channel - Etcetera - Computer Issues - Test "Men's" erotic underwear? Penis enlargement? Where to buy anti-depressansts on-line. LOL.The list goes on and on. I knew you were a perverted freak "Al" but, Penis Enlargement", just goes to show how "little" you think of yourself. Damn, Al, you Mexican/Irish/Apaches really do know how to party. Go to :www.newagefraud.org. AL CARROL IS ONE SICK PUPPY.HAPPY TURKEY DAY!!!! THIS TURKEY AL CARROL MAKES ME SICK.TALLSOLDIER77
Internet anonymity has provided a few cyber-cowards with a high-tech equivalent of a public bathroom wall. They can give vent to their frustrations with little fear of detection and the courts may well protect them. The potential for open-ended civil discourse will likely be sacrificed to provide a shield for timid mouse-potatoes.
Edited by - TALLSOLDIER77 on 11/22/2006 4:34:18 PM