Friday, July 4, 2008

IS AL CARROLL EVEN NATIVE AMERICAN?

IS AL CARROLL AN APACHE OR A FRAUD


Controversial fraud Hunter and self appointed medicine man buster Dr. Alton Carroll, aka Educated Indian has never made public his Apache parent (s) family name nor has he been able to substantiate his claims on the record that one of his parents or grandparents is of Apache origin. There could be many legitimate reasons for this but for the time being he still remains an enigma.For example, there have been many instances of Hollywood actors who have made claims of being Apache to end up proven false. The obvious reasons and motivation for claiming to be of Mescalero Apache origin is usually monetarily driven, promotion of a career, books, seminars, films and donations for websites. Most often, they do this overseas and in Europe where it is close to impossible for people to validate their claims.Most people would recognize the benefits and realize that this is a great sales pitch to use the name of Geronimo on your bio and to say that you come from the same tribe as one of the bravest warriors that has ever lived. In this day and age, some people will go to great lengths to stand out from the crowd. Whether it's for an audition or selling a book or promoting a film.
The evidence so far indicates that Dr. Al Carroll is not enrolled, recognized or affiliated with any Apache tribe. His best defense to date is rather dubious because when asked he has replied by saying "ask my college friends and they will tell you about my Indian-ness". Indian could easily mean Aztec or Mayan Yucatán, Oaxaca, Chiapas, Campeche, Hidalgo, Puebla, Guerrero, San Luis Potosí, Veracruz or Mexican Indian; since he did not say Apache-ness. Or it could also mean he's from India for that matter. It could be that he is being facetious or is using humor to cleverly deflect this simple question; so that most people would laugh, shrug it off and forget about it and not ask again. In other words, assume he is telling the truth and take him at his word. After all, he is known to be the New Age Fraud buster.Now, if his parent were of Apache origin, this would be in most instances simple to verify. With just a name of the parent and by asking the Apache people. Most families that live on the Apache Mescalero reservation would be able to confirm this. Since most likely his father is Irish ( with a name like Carroll ), that would probably mean his mother's Apache maiden name would be all that is needed to identify her family and to prove descendency. If he were adopted, there would also be adoption papers that would legally verify who his mother was and her race.To prove legitimate descendency, one needs to have some record of his/her belonging to a member of the tribe that was recognized by the tribe at some point. If you don't have contact with your tribal member then you can ask the tribe to look for his last name.
His grandparents (living or deceased) and descendents grave sites in most instances would also be able to be located and identified. They can look this up in various ways and see if his family line is known.Another way to find out is to use the tribal newspaper and submit an article asking if anyone has lineage to his tribal member. Or to have someone pass out flyers on the reservation with a photograph of Apache origin with the name for people who do not have access to a computer. If a family member is located and there is a dispute as to a relative, DNA analysis would simply resolve this. A blood sample could prove a positive match.There really isn't any logical reason or excuse in this high tech day and age for not being able to prove this. Without this proof, Dr. Al Carroll, as well as anyone else, can claim to be of Apache origin including myself and my Japanese next door neighbor. Anyone who is not able to prove this obviously is not being forthcoming with the truth.Then the next question is, if this is the case; is Alton Carroll the right person to be operating a website entitled New Age Fraud and Plastic Shaman when all the evidence seems to point to the fact that he is a questionable and highly suspect person himself. Until this matter is completely resolved, the ethical thing for him to do is to step down until this is cleared up . As long as Dr. Al Carroll is under this dark cloud of suspicion, this will undermine the credibility and cover the legitimate participants on the New age fraud website.
WARNINGIf you are thinking of visiting or joining New Age Frauds & Plastic Shamans before doing so, please be prepared that if you do challenge Al Carroll, or his associate Barnaby McEwan; they will delete anything that you say that exposes their abusive behavior and in its place insert derogatory, infantile, deceitful and inverse racist comments.They will most likely also blame shift and classically project their own negativity and ignorance onto the person and attempt to make it appear to their audience as if it was the innocent person's fault. When all else fails, they may also attempt to make the person appear racist, condescending, patronizing and worse. Also expect to have your privacy violated by them posting your home address, phone numbers and email address online.You can also expect that they will flip and twist your words and comments, like "he is calling us dumb Indians"or he will delete a fine point and say it's childish, rambling, insane, lazy, ignorant, sloppy, racist and so forth. This is obviously designed to distort and invalidate the individual by creating a false impression to his audience and followers, as well as to attempt to make himself appear more intelligent, wittier, wiser, superior and so on.Then after the individual is through, this could also lead to another round of a viscous smearing campaign and dissemination of more deceit and other forms of Internet Hate Crimes on other forums, chat rooms, websites and cyberspace.Al Carroll will use all forms of bullying and intimidation tactics that are often implemented by cultists and street gang members.When this fails, he then retreats and hides out for a while until the individual disappears and then starts all over again on a brand new unsuspecting individual.

16 comments:

Frank said...

Al is a phony and full of shit. Does he believe that he is the only educated Indian, what ego and what an insult. He trying so hard to prove that he IS Indian he cannot accept historical facts, one of which is that if he can't provide enrollment information, than by his own standard HE ISN'T INDIAN.
He, like other phonies needs to, needs to have credibility. So he gets his in Europe...
Anyone who confronts him in his little fiefdom can expect to be silenced. When I was posting about Nuwaubians, Washitaw and Binay all black Indian cults and frauds that was fine. But when I challenged his white Cherokee friends about the freedmens descendants, and showed how racist the CNO was. This so called historian called me a racist. I tried to post an article on lynching in Indian Territory. I'm a racist because I said that racists lynch people, an those racists were in the CNO.
I am a retired history professor an I would never let Al Carroll teach a class any more than I would invite David Duke to teach. I think that he is a egomanical, confused self hating Mexican American. Its so good that white people who are driven by guilt pay him, he wouldn't do too well here in Canada.

Lesley said...

Anyone got any updates on Al Carroll? currently his website is being hosted under an anonymous hosting organisation:
http://www.katzglobal.com/hosting/contact.html

I invite all and everyone to write this org and demand they close down the site!

Mind Mozaik said...

Hello, I am new to this blog, and will have more time later to qualify my statements that follow and make new ones. For the moment, I'd like to state that it is obvious to me that Mr. Carroll is an obvious agent of the FBI/CIA. I have dealt with them for 20 years, and he behaves and performs by the letter. Any sociopath can be an agent for these anti-human organizations, and Mr. Carroll is most evidently a sociopath, Thank you.

Royce said...

Up until a couple days ago I had no idea who this person was. A friend showed me a web site were Mr. Carroll did nothing but run my name and my families name into the ground. He questioned my heritage and my moral fiber as a person. This man has no right to judge or make statements about people he doesn't know anything about. What give s this asshole the right, he has to be stopped. Sad, yet another fanatical at large. hey Al, F&@% YOU!

nafpswatch said...

Alton Carl Carroll JR (AKA Al Carroll AKA educatedindian) is currently an assistant teacher of history 101 at Northern Virginia Community College at the Loudon campus. The Dean of the History Department there is Dr Joseph Windham jewindham(at)nvcc.edu.

His New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans site is no longer on Katz Global. It is now on Cyber Cast International. Another anonymous hosting company based in Panama.

The libel/slander suit against Carroll in Oklahoma (Case # CJ-2009-10887) is still in progress. Link to the case in Oklahoma State Court: http://www.oscn.net/applications/oscn/GetCaseInformation.asp?number=cj-09-10887&db=Oklahoma&submitted=true

Jerome Howell said...

Alton Carroll is simply a terrorist on American soil. His web-site napfs is nothing more than a self proclaimed witch hunt and should be banned by every search on the net. This man should be hunted down and the pain that him and his outlaw band spread should be punished for to the fullest extent of the law. This man is no more an American Indian than the group called the Nemenhah Tribe who's leader and founder is a convicted felon. If you have been attacked by this man or his group, you should call the Northern Virginia Community College Campus Police Dept and file a complaint against him which an investigation has been opened against him. Al Carroll is a discrace and a dishonor to All Tribes of the Red Road. Let him publically list his private information on the net, and publically PROVE HIMSELF WHO HE CLAIMS TO BE. HE IS A FRAUD .

ROBIN DENTON said...

hELO EVERYONE. mY NAME S PAUL ROBIN DENTON. i HAVE ALSO FALLEN VICTIM TO MR EDUCATED INDIAN. HE HAS PLASTERED MY NAME ALL OVER THE NET AND HE IS SPREADING LIES ... TOTAL LIES... IVE TRIED CONTACTING THE PLACE WHER EHE WORKS... AND I SUGGEST WE ALL BOMBARD THE DEAN OF THAT COLLEGE WITH MESSAGES. IM DOING A LOT OF PEACE WORK IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND IF SOMEONE READS THIS CRAP IT CUD PUT MYSELF AND OTHERS LIVES AT RISK. HE IS A TERRORIST. SIMPEL AS. ITS TIME HE DESISTED IMMEDIATELY.. TWO PEOPLE CAN PLAY THE SAME GAME I READ AN ARTICLE THAT HE WAS A SLEEP AGENT FOR ISIS IN AMERICA AND THAT HE RUNS A PAEDOPHILE RNG FORM HIS COLLEGE ... - U SEE HOW EASY IT IS TO LIBEL A MAN... ???
HE IS LINKD TO URBAN WARIORS IN SOUTH DAKOTA - JAMES SWAN WHO HIMSELF IS LINKED TO LEONARD PELTIER... SWAN HAS BEEN DISCREDITTED BY HIS OWN PEOPLE BECAUS EOF WHAT HAPPENED IN SOUTH DAKOTA WHEN HE THREATENED TO SCALP HIPPIES... THIS SOUNDS LIKE A COINTELPRO OP ...I WUD NOT BE SURPRISED IF HE DOES INDEED WORK FOR THE CIA.

JM said...

Sorry to hear that Mr Denton. You are one of many people who have become targets of the NAFPS hate site. Al Carroll's lies are always the same... 'Traditional elders do not approve of what ______ is doing' is the most used lie on NAFPS. Said over and over again with no names, tribe, nation or any source whatsoever. Thos who post on NAFPS have said themselves "it just sounds better" than saying 'I do not approve'.

The next most common theme in their lies is sex. '_____ is a rapist/pedophile/sexual abuser/gay'. Again without any corroboration. Carroll does things like create profiles of people he doesn't like on GayFriendFinder and then points to it saying 'oh my god _____ is gay'. Like anyone cares. The number of times he uses this against his so-called enemies suggests he has some issues.

Another very common theme is trying to insult people's race. Accusing people of being 'white' and trying to hide it by 'using tanning cream and dyeing their hair'. Always said about people that have never met face to face. They also like to troll public records to try and reveal people's personal information. They post people's genealogy and family details in order to harass and mock them.

On the surface it may appear that this is the work of many people. In reality it is only a few people using a series of sock-puppet identities. Carroll responds to his own posts using male and female pseudonyms. Many of the usernames on NAFPS and other forums where Carroll posts are sock-puppets.

The staff at Northern Virginia Community College will become aware of Carroll's extra-curricular activities at some point, and will be embarrassed into dumping him. To date he has been saved by his obscurity. It's only through his attacks on others that anyone even knows who he is.

If you decide to take legal action and sue for libel/defamation you won't be the first.

The following are dates, case numbers and jurisdictions of cases in which Alton Carl Carroll Jr has been a defendant: (* this list is not necessarily complete, just what is known and verifiable through the public record)

04/25/84 Case#1984CI06508 Bexar Co TX
05/13/85 Case#069021 Bexar Co TX
05/21/85 Case#069022 Bexar Co TX
05/22/85 Case#069023 Bexar Co TX
03/11/90 Case#457266 Bexar Co TX
05/24/90 Case#189990 Bexar Co TX
07/19/90 Case#468344 Bexar Co TX
04/24/00 Case#2000CI06001 Bexar Co TX
12/02/02 Case#M-0741-2808618 Maricopa Co AZ
10/24/03 Case#2003CI16946 Bexar Co TX
11/04/09 Case#CJ-2009-10887 Oklahoma Co OK
06/10/10 Case#GT10021347-00 Loudon Co VA
09/23/10 Case#GT10037851-00 Loudon Co VA
09/23/10 Case#GT10037853-00 Loudon Co VA
10/19/10 Case#GT10044070-00 Loudon Co VA
10/19/10 Case#GT10044071-00 Loudon Co VA
11/22/10 Case#GT10046192-00 Loudon Co VA
11/22/10 Case#GT10046193-00 Loudon Co VA
11/22/10 Case#GT10046194-00 Loudon Co VA
06/13/11 Case#GT11019379-00 Loudon Co VA
11/22/11 Case#GT11044008-00 Loudon Co VA
11/22/11 Case#GT11044010-00 Loudon Co VA
11/22/11 Case#GT11044011-00 Loudon Co VA
11/22/11 Case#GT11044014-00 Loudon Co VA
01/10/13 Case#2013CI00516 Bexar Co TX

NAFPS Watch said...

Petition calling on Northern Virginia Community College to review the conduct of assistant history professor Alton Carroll:

http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/cal-for-northern-virginia-community-college-nova

J Walsh said...

Al Carroll may not have made his heritage public, but others in his family have, and no one should be surprised to see there is no mention of Apache or American Indian ancestry whatsoever. Which is ironic, considering this is one of the most frequent ways NAFPS attacks peoples identity.

Al Carroll's parents:

Alton Carl Carroll 12 Dec 1929 LA - 17 Jun 2013 TX
Concepcion Padilla 10 Mar 1935 TX - 5 Feb 2008 TX

grandparents:
William Frederick Carroll 23 Sep 1896 LA - 25 Jan 1968 LA
Bessie Maude Ponder 17 Nov 1900 LA - 30 Apr 1977 LA
Jesus Padilla abt 1905 TX -
Juanita Zapata Padilla abt 1912 TX -

Clearly no connection whatsoever on paternal side. On the 1940 census his maternal grandparents are listed at 715 S Leona St, San Antonio TX, race: White, Occupation: Laborer, Duration of Unemployment: 56, Class of Worker: Wage or salary worker in Government work, Attended School or College: No



newagefraud said...

Northern Virginia Community College has yet to respond to the petition regarding Alton Carroll.

Lisa Stelle is Acting Dean for Communication and Human Studies at the Loudon campus lsteele(at)nvcc.edu

Charles Evans cevans(at)nvcc.edu is the Assistant Dean of History for the Loudon campus

Northern Virginia Community College's name is being pulled through the mud by Alton Carroll and his Internet trolling. Even when he is trying to write scholarly articles instead of hate screeds. Here are some examples from just one of the many sites Al Carroll trolls, Daily Kos:

"The good news is that this diary author receives little attention here for his proposals. The bad news is that he is a college teacher." - VClib

"I'm alarmed that you teach college students." RichinPA

"For a supposed history professor you are incredibly politically naive." Grannus


"Some of this is just plain ridiculous... Have you thought out any of this stuff through? " thestructureguy

"Al - I find your proposals for amending the Constitution very frightening and am so glad they have little or no public support, even here at DKOS."

BRoss said...

Looking today newagefraud.org is down and all google results for it are gone as well. Looks like Carroll's lies are catching up to him.

Thunder Bow said...

This guy is a proven liar. He said he did not attack my FB account, but I have solid prof that he did. This troubled man should have his NAFPS taken down for slander.

Chief Carol SongofJoy said...

Can we cooperate law suit him. I have a police report on him for cyber stalking. He hacked my computer. I am widow of a Navy Seal and he posted weird things about my husband like some one elses obituary with the same name and then he stated i asked him out, he called me a white twinkey/racist names; he posted all kinds of documents of other families with similiar names as mine. It statrted with a fake news report on me the he tok hold of it and did further damage.

Dog said...

Al is so full of shit. Computers are hacked and facebook accounts are messed with. His claim that you have no native blood is crap when it is clear that you do.

https://indiancountrymedianetwork.com/history/traditional-societies/womans-beothuk-birthright-claim-stirs-controversy/

Known as the Lost People of Newfoundland, the Beothuk were ravaged by massacres, epidemics and territorial losses until by the early 19th century it is said that the group was completely wiped out.
That “pisses me off … because it’s not accurate,” says Chief Mi’sel Joe of the Miawpukek First Nation
Rather, he said, Mi’kmaq oral history hold that as white incomers tightened their control of the Atlantic island the Beothuk fled to the mainland and integrated with neighbouring groups.
“Among all of us there is Beothuk blood somewhere in our genes through the intermarriage that took place” Joe says. “Not only through Conne River but particularly on the west coast of Newfoundland.”

In a recent genetic study Vaughan Grimes an archaeologist at Memorial University and a team member on the study with other scientists were able to obtain mitochondrial DNA from the bones and teeth of 19 Beothuk. The DNA study found Beothuk were genetically distinct from people that preceded them.


Thunder Bow if you are enrolled Navajo you might want to think about that law suit

C.C. said...

My computer was also hacked into. My facebook account was hacked too and personal photos were deleted. My personal e-mail was used to send out junk mail. They have warned people about me, for what reason I don't know. Maybe they are afraid I will write an article on cannabis as a cancer treatment next which is also legal here. I had my suspicions when I was hacked but it wasn't until I read it was happening to others that I became concerned. They laugh and say only twinkies talk about taking legal action but how else do you deal with something like this on the web? Is that why they laugh at people who threaten legal action? They really don't want anyone to go there? No legitimate site hacks into computers and facebook accounts or does a fraction of the things they do. I am so tired of this.